I've only been a few times and had one good night. Coworker took me two years ago and was amazed how shallow they get. Homemade submersible light and he ended up gigging one in ankle deep water. I was skunked that night but went a few times last year and zeroed every night but one, ended up with eight. I guess it's hit and miss without a bout to cover a larger area. Once this year so far and nothing.